depends on the situation and pattern like toe socks are lounging socks tbh sleepovers and hallway sliding wear but probably not everyday wear unless you're making a statement of some short the other question depends on the type of shoe in question obviously
the answer wasnt no but that was important how do you want to do this
yeah but its half joking you know that right the conversation isnt off even if you choose to wear a polo and spats id prefer you DIDNT but you could north beach
I know. Frankly, I'd just prefer not to go for polos and spats. Ignoring the psychological implications I really do not feel that way inclined. Tees, tanks, boots and running shoes cover it for me. Also, I don't actually have toe socks at the moment. You're safe from my fashion sense today.
you say that but youre still gonna show up probably badly dressed
see you soon
[ though he didn't specify WHERE on the north beach of the island, so dirk gets to just guess or track dave down. he's pretty far back from the water, crosslegged on the sand and eyeing the ocean with a certain amount of resignation. THE WARPERS ARE STILL A-WARPIN' so that is the source of that resignation. ]
[ what the fuck dirk never wears that unless cornered into it so dave gives him a startled once-over? he is actually less fancy for once? "less fancy" being slacks and a button-down shirt plus tie and cufflinks and etc because people kept giving him those and he's simple but. ]
Yo. [ ...
he'll flip his shades up onto his head after a second although the whole "dave go the fuck to sleep" thing is not what they are here to talk about so ignore. the obvious signs of lack of sleep that exist around a person's eyes. ]
So, I thought about it. [ stellar intro. yeah. ] And I wanted to say no, but then I thought about it more and I don't know if that would be fair, and - uh. We should start from the beginning instead, shouldn't we.
[ He is not allowed to nag about sleep but yeah he notices. Dirk listens and sees that it is getting jumbled already. A reason text might have been better but he had to trust Dave's call. ]
The beginning is usually a good start, yeah.
[ gentle though. He is patient with Dave trying to get his thoughts together ]
[ it might have been, but dave can tell when dirk is misunderstanding him better when he can actually see dirk. unfortunately. and he doesn't want to be misunderstood about this when they're still tangled up about other things. ]
Ok, uh. Which part counts as the beginning here?
[ help? ]
I thought about why...I have trouble with it, and what would help, and how I feel about that. But I don't know where to start.
[It doesn't sound dumb, not really. Dirk thinks about swords in the fridge and cherry bombs in the ice dispenser, and a closet with aj because closets are clear defined spaces and there's no way for anyone to be there that you don't know about.]
But it's a thing, and that's where it stands right now. And thinking you don't have a right to it makes sense, particularly when so many things are reminding you of the conditions that created that kind of mentality.
Yeah. I don't know. Sometimes I don't feel like I've...earned the right or whatever, and uh. It's...probably comin' from an unfortunate place that you specifically naggin' me about it helps.
As opposed to my fear, that me specifically nagging you would be an issue. [Since. You know. Bro was a controlling dick. Just not about actually getting food into Dave's mouth.]
Okay. That also makes a certain fucked up kind of sense.
Do I ever make any other kind these days? Or do you, for that matter. I'm p sure somehow Rose is the only person makin' actual non fucked up sense these days, which might just be her makin' up for lost time or somethin'.
[ he looks down as his knees before actually making an effort to look at dirk, even though he would rather. not. he prefers not to when he admits to being messed up? but rose's observations about power and control linger. ]
So, [ so ] I wanted to say "no" even though it...helps, because it helps for reasons that are almost definitely bad, or put you in a bad situation, maybe. But [ since this involves absolutely no one but the two of them, so the only people who can be hurt here are dirk and dave ] I wanted to try to explain and...hear your opinion on if it was bad? Or. Whatever. I don't know if I explained it well enough even.
[They are both definitely making a lot of messed up sense lately, he'll agree. When Dave manages to look up, Dirk meets his eyes.]
First, does that cover what you wanted to say? Why, what would help, and how you feel about that. I don't know if there are any further parts to this yet.
I also wanted to say no because I've been tryin' to cut back on - needin' you on. Grounds we have been over which you have. Addressed. [ i.e. losing that support and having to readjust at some point ] Which...
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I think that's valid in regards to...the other thing. [ living together, he means. dirk may not agree. but. ] But...
[ he has no idea where he's going with this, actually. ]
It is just kind of extremely fucked up to admit that sometimes you botherin' me about shit has functioned as permission to do any of it.
Yeah, it's definitely fucked up, but it's where we are.
[He is thinking about it. Turning it over in his head. Because in this case is it really about controlling or is it more about coddling or is it actually just supporting? Dirk doesn't know. He has such a hard time working out these limits.]
Do you... you don't accept that you're my brother, specifically mine, any more than you did last time we talked about this. [The statement is neutral, but then there's a slight turn of the head with a frown. It's a question.]
I...believe what you said. And I guess I never said at the time that while I don't think I have the same...claim to you that other people do, I do want you to be my brother. But I don't know if I agree that I'm a positive influence in your life or anything.
[ or: the same reason he broke up with karkat. dirk is a lot harder to break up with since dirk basically told him no repeatedly. ]
Specifically? My issues are almost assuredly causin' you more trouble than they're worth with more people than they're worth. Did you talk to anyone about the whole movin' thing? I somehow doubt you found anyone who didn't take it at least a little badly, or a lot. I think it would help you out more if I didn't ask you for anythin', in general. I also think that it would kind of be better to just not bug anyone until I got a handle on shit, honestly.
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like toe socks are lounging socks tbh
sleepovers and hallway sliding wear
but probably not everyday wear unless you're making a statement of some short
the other question depends on the type of shoe in question
obviously
the answer wasnt no but that was important
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do you want to do this
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[ of course it was not fashion this is dirk ]
In person or by text are both fine. You said sometimes text is easier for you to articulate in.
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i prefer text but we should probably talk in person
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I'll trust your call. Pick the place?
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i get no toesocks you get in person
its an equivalent exchange
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You never get to call me dramatic again. You're as bad as me and Rose.
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its half joking you know that right
the conversation isnt off even if you choose to wear a polo and spats
id prefer you DIDNT
but you could
north beach
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Ignoring the psychological implications I really do not feel that way inclined. Tees, tanks, boots and running shoes cover it for me.
Also, I don't actually have toe socks at the moment. You're safe from my fashion sense today.
See you there shortly.
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see you soon
[ though he didn't specify WHERE on the north beach of the island, so dirk gets to just guess or track dave down. he's pretty far back from the water, crosslegged on the sand and eyeing the ocean with a certain amount of resignation. THE WARPERS ARE STILL A-WARPIN' so that is the source of that resignation. ]
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He is wearing a suit and the cufflinks Dave gave him. ]
Hey.
[ fashionable enough? ]
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Yo. [ ...
he'll flip his shades up onto his head after a second although the whole "dave go the fuck to sleep" thing is not what they are here to talk about so ignore. the obvious signs of lack of sleep that exist around a person's eyes. ]
So, I thought about it. [ stellar intro. yeah. ] And I wanted to say no, but then I thought about it more and I don't know if that would be fair, and - uh. We should start from the beginning instead, shouldn't we.
[ but which part is the beginning. ]
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The beginning is usually a good start, yeah.
[ gentle though. He is patient with Dave trying to get his thoughts together ]
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Ok, uh. Which part counts as the beginning here?
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I thought about why...I have trouble with it, and what would help, and how I feel about that. But I don't know where to start.
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[Dirk has some guesses, but he thinks Dave explaining it is probably helpful for them both.]
Let's do Rose proud and begin there.
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[ but. ]
Sometimes I don't think I should be eatin'.
[ it sounds exactly as dumb as he thought it would, so dave grimaces. ]
I didn't think about it before. I don't...always think about shit like that unless you or Rose bring it up, or even then. But.
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But it's a thing, and that's where it stands right now. And thinking you don't have a right to it makes sense, particularly when so many things are reminding you of the conditions that created that kind of mentality.
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[ is. the thing. ]
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There's a very distinct realization.]
As opposed to my fear, that me specifically nagging you would be an issue. [Since. You know. Bro was a controlling dick. Just not about actually getting food into Dave's mouth.]
Okay. That also makes a certain fucked up kind of sense.
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Do I ever make any other kind these days? Or do you, for that matter. I'm p sure somehow Rose is the only person makin' actual non fucked up sense these days, which might just be her makin' up for lost time or somethin'.
[ he looks down as his knees before actually making an effort to look at dirk, even though he would rather. not. he prefers not to when he admits to being messed up? but rose's observations about power and control linger. ]
So, [ so ] I wanted to say "no" even though it...helps, because it helps for reasons that are almost definitely bad, or put you in a bad situation, maybe. But [ since this involves absolutely no one but the two of them, so the only people who can be hurt here are dirk and dave ] I wanted to try to explain and...hear your opinion on if it was bad? Or. Whatever. I don't know if I explained it well enough even.
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First, does that cover what you wanted to say? Why, what would help, and how you feel about that. I don't know if there are any further parts to this yet.
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[ he lets out a breath. ]
I also wanted to say no because I've been tryin' to cut back on - needin' you on. Grounds we have been over which you have. Addressed. [ i.e. losing that support and having to readjust at some point ] Which...
[ ... ]
I think that's valid in regards to...the other thing. [ living together, he means. dirk may not agree. but. ] But...
[ he has no idea where he's going with this, actually. ]
It is just kind of extremely fucked up to admit that sometimes you botherin' me about shit has functioned as permission to do any of it.
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[He is thinking about it. Turning it over in his head. Because in this case is it really about controlling or is it more about coddling or is it actually just supporting? Dirk doesn't know. He has such a hard time working out these limits.]
Do you... you don't accept that you're my brother, specifically mine, any more than you did last time we talked about this. [The statement is neutral, but then there's a slight turn of the head with a frown. It's a question.]
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[ or: the same reason he broke up with karkat. dirk is a lot harder to break up with since dirk basically told him no repeatedly. ]
Specifically? My issues are almost assuredly causin' you more trouble than they're worth with more people than they're worth. Did you talk to anyone about the whole movin' thing? I somehow doubt you found anyone who didn't take it at least a little badly, or a lot. I think it would help you out more if I didn't ask you for anythin', in general. I also think that it would kind of be better to just not bug anyone until I got a handle on shit, honestly.
[ or a better handle on faking it. either or. ]
Eventually you're goin' to figure that out.
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how did you phone tag that in, wtf
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