[ though dave's own language is very frequently creative so maybe he shouldn't cast stones here...
he huffs a quiet laugh. ]
It's stupid to be nervous about the same thing, though? I say that and I know it won't help, but - kinda discouraging that nine months haven't improved our ability to deal with awkward waiting times. Or I guess we're not on the floor, and also we are saying words instead of playing solo charades, but.
I don't think of it as discouraging. We're both dealing with a lot of baggage, and things happen that make the grounds between us unsteady. It's normal that we'd be nervous in this kind of situation.
[It's one of Dirk's thoughtful, reasoned explorations. Quiet as he talks leaning against Dave.]
Honestly, I consider this relatively encouraging. You might not have noticed, but I'm something of a human wrecking ball when it comes to people and relationships. I'm conscious of my flaws as destructive in nature, and particularly prone to hurting others or my relationships with them. It's reasonable for us to be concerned about the possibility of something happening that'll lose us what we want here, especially because we're both sure we don't deserve it and are afraid the other will figure it out.
What's reassuring to me is that we've reached a point where we can act anyway and communicate our fears. As backwards as it is, it's comforting to me to know that we're both willing to take that risk on each other. I think that is a kind of progress in terms of our growing understanding of each other and the value we put on our relationship.
[ and he's not sure the point has as much to do with maturity as it has to do with being too exhausted to do anything else, but there is absolutely no reason to spoil dirk's apparent good mood. the point of the lohac topic was to reassure dirk and if he's further taking things as reassuring without dave's trying, it's a mission success.
dave opts to talk about something that is mostly nothing, the balancing act of meaningless chatter second nature. ]
But I do believe that everyone except, like, John and maybe Jade exhibits the human wrecking ball traits. I mean, John has his moments of it but it's never about interpersonal relationships so much as dumb shenanigans. So. It ain't like you have a monopoly on the experience.
A fair amount of the time. You're not as slick as you think, bro.
[ or dave has too much practice and is too confusing to really catch out on changing topics deliberately all the time when sometimes he does it just on a whim or because he distracts himself. ]
Just because we didn't focus it at one another didn't mean it didn't go somewhere. Or is the only kind of wrecking ball that matters the kind that swings at a friendship? If so, I guess you've got us there.
[ non-committal, but he'll clarify about his friends: ]
Our relationships with our guardians were more contentious; we did destroy them in our own ways. At least, three of us were like that. Attacking those relationships or just makin' 'em burn. I don't think that was the intent, but I don't think it's usually the intent when you ruin a thing to ruin it? Unless you're an asshole, I mean, in which case it is.
I don't think you can blame a group of kids for their relationships with their caretakers. Whatever a thirteen year old might do, it's a guardian's responsibility to negotiate the difficulties. There were very few direct guardian relationships on our side, but the one we had was successful in no small part because Jane's Dad was able to bridge the gap with his teen daughter.
[Dirk has stiffened an improbable fraction, but not after what Dave said about guardians. It was the part that came first.
[ shit. dave doesn't react at all, but mentally flips gears, trying to work out a way to shift things yet again. he settles for rambling until he sees an opening. ]
Maybe. Those relationships all ended the same way, and they're kinda not relevant at this point in this context. But I'd warn you that you don't know everythin' we've ever done or the ways in which we've ruined other people or ourselves. But maybe you'll hear about those things someday and we can reopen the conversation? Most of them, I'm not the person who should tell you about any of it.
[ since it isn't all just him. ]
The Crockerbert Dad bein' so damn similar either side is still a weird paradoxical fact. But he's probably one of the coolest things p space has insisted on as bein' a thing? Signed Stiller pics aside.
It wouldn't be my place to ask for details, except maybe if Rose chose to seek consultation from someone who understood Roxy but was not her. Even without details, I'd stand by an argument that is not unlike one you once gave to me. There is a difference in terms of power between peers who are trying to figure out themselves and how relationships work, and the dynamic between an adult and their charge.
Jane's Dad is a pretty cool guy. I've always really respected him, even during their contentious years. Dude saved Detective Pony from one of those classic Sburb house shenanigan explosions.
[Dirk is speaking calmly, but he isn't actually relaxing. His eyes are focused on a point somewhere between here and the tower wall.]
Was he super into clowns post-scratch or was that uniquely John's Dad?
[ dave lets amusement seep into his tone and it isn't entirely manufactured about john's dad but he's calling it up on purpose. not enough to be weird, just enough to convey a sense of ease. ]
Because holy shit did that guy like clowns thanks to John's night-graffiti. Whiiiich I don't know if you guys had? Did you tag your room while you slept, bro, or was that strictly an original universe problem?
[ the casual use of "bro" is equally deliberate while seeming not deliberate. the question itself is casual and entirely genuine, because it occurs to him that's a thing he doesn't know. ]
Like, is sleep tagging an issue for prototyped sessions only? God the game mechanics make NO sense even in context.
Detectives and sitcoms. I don't know if that's Jane's subconscious dream graffiting or simply her Dad's decision to try to emulate her interests.
[Dirk seems to have hit an odd equilibrium in calm without being properly relaxed. Dave's strategies aren't hurting, but they aren't doing anything at all.]
[ it's truly amazing how quickly he can fuck up. dave is pretty sure he does not deserve a medal for that talent, however. he does not ask if dirk is still sure, but instead continues to tug the conversation elsewhere. ]
You get one guess what I drew - and one guess for Rose. Then I'll tell you the truth, although hers is way weirder. As expected?
Puppets and tentacle monsters. [A pause.] No, wizards. There was something about passive aggressive wizards in that household, wasn't there?
[Like, it isn't bad? Dirk is fine. He is taking the same approach he does to getting a knife through a limb. 'Okay, so that's there. Can't treat it at the moment. Cool.']
Bro, c'mon, you should know better than anyone what the manifestation of my subconscious fears and desires take shape as. I'll give you a second guess.
[ the answer is of course: sbahj comics. ]
As to passive aggressive wizards, I think they were mostly passagg on Rose's part. What she wrote was apparently some super evil genetic code. Using only the word "Meow".
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[ he's literally going to just be a bundle of nerves until then isn't he. why this. ]
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Okay, let's do it early morning. 5AM?
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[ he's gonna do that. ]
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Well, are you gonna sleep?
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[not ashamed to admit this]
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[ he's not sure if that helps or not ]
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[ though dave's own language is very frequently creative so maybe he shouldn't cast stones here...
he huffs a quiet laugh. ]
It's stupid to be nervous about the same thing, though? I say that and I know it won't help, but - kinda discouraging that nine months haven't improved our ability to deal with awkward waiting times. Or I guess we're not on the floor, and also we are saying words instead of playing solo charades, but.
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[It's one of Dirk's thoughtful, reasoned explorations. Quiet as he talks leaning against Dave.]
Honestly, I consider this relatively encouraging. You might not have noticed, but I'm something of a human wrecking ball when it comes to people and relationships. I'm conscious of my flaws as destructive in nature, and particularly prone to hurting others or my relationships with them. It's reasonable for us to be concerned about the possibility of something happening that'll lose us what we want here, especially because we're both sure we don't deserve it and are afraid the other will figure it out.
What's reassuring to me is that we've reached a point where we can act anyway and communicate our fears. As backwards as it is, it's comforting to me to know that we're both willing to take that risk on each other. I think that is a kind of progress in terms of our growing understanding of each other and the value we put on our relationship.
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[ and he's not sure the point has as much to do with maturity as it has to do with being too exhausted to do anything else, but there is absolutely no reason to spoil dirk's apparent good mood. the point of the lohac topic was to reassure dirk and if he's further taking things as reassuring without dave's trying, it's a mission success.
dave opts to talk about something that is mostly nothing, the balancing act of meaningless chatter second nature. ]
But I do believe that everyone except, like, John and maybe Jade exhibits the human wrecking ball traits. I mean, John has his moments of it but it's never about interpersonal relationships so much as dumb shenanigans. So. It ain't like you have a monopoly on the experience.
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You need to get more smooth at your subject shifts, Dave.
Actually, don't. You still get me sometimes.
[Then he settles in.]
I don't know if I agree. Your group never seemed to do anything actually destructive to each other's identities or to the relationships between you.
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[ or dave has too much practice and is too confusing to really catch out on changing topics deliberately all the time when sometimes he does it just on a whim or because he distracts himself. ]
Just because we didn't focus it at one another didn't mean it didn't go somewhere. Or is the only kind of wrecking ball that matters the kind that swings at a friendship? If so, I guess you've got us there.
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[Dave gets things past him but Dirk keeps trying and he is going to get good at this. He is determined and he is stubborn.]
It isn't a wrecking ball if you're destroying yourself. That would be some kind of explosive probably.
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[ non-committal, but he'll clarify about his friends: ]
Our relationships with our guardians were more contentious; we did destroy them in our own ways. At least, three of us were like that. Attacking those relationships or just makin' 'em burn. I don't think that was the intent, but I don't think it's usually the intent when you ruin a thing to ruin it? Unless you're an asshole, I mean, in which case it is.
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[Dirk has stiffened an improbable fraction, but not after what Dave said about guardians. It was the part that came first.
Somehow, that hurt]
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Maybe. Those relationships all ended the same way, and they're kinda not relevant at this point in this context. But I'd warn you that you don't know everythin' we've ever done or the ways in which we've ruined other people or ourselves. But maybe you'll hear about those things someday and we can reopen the conversation? Most of them, I'm not the person who should tell you about any of it.
[ since it isn't all just him. ]
The Crockerbert Dad bein' so damn similar either side is still a weird paradoxical fact. But he's probably one of the coolest things p space has insisted on as bein' a thing? Signed Stiller pics aside.
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Jane's Dad is a pretty cool guy. I've always really respected him, even during their contentious years. Dude saved Detective Pony from one of those classic Sburb house shenanigan explosions.
[Dirk is speaking calmly, but he isn't actually relaxing. His eyes are focused on a point somewhere between here and the tower wall.]
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[ dave lets amusement seep into his tone and it isn't entirely manufactured about john's dad but he's calling it up on purpose. not enough to be weird, just enough to convey a sense of ease. ]
Because holy shit did that guy like clowns thanks to John's night-graffiti. Whiiiich I don't know if you guys had? Did you tag your room while you slept, bro, or was that strictly an original universe problem?
[ the casual use of "bro" is equally deliberate while seeming not deliberate. the question itself is casual and entirely genuine, because it occurs to him that's a thing he doesn't know. ]
Like, is sleep tagging an issue for prototyped sessions only? God the game mechanics make NO sense even in context.
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[Dirk seems to have hit an odd equilibrium in calm without being properly relaxed. Dave's strategies aren't hurting, but they aren't doing anything at all.]
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You get one guess what I drew - and one guess for Rose. Then I'll tell you the truth, although hers is way weirder. As expected?
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[Like, it isn't bad? Dirk is fine. He is taking the same approach he does to getting a knife through a limb. 'Okay, so that's there. Can't treat it at the moment. Cool.']
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[ the answer is of course: sbahj comics. ]
As to passive aggressive wizards, I think they were mostly passagg on Rose's part. What she wrote was apparently some super evil genetic code. Using only the word "Meow".
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