[Dirk can't. He can't pull his brother's strings and make him dance how he wants. Feel this, do that. He can't make Dave into the image of his desires.
But God, he wants to take this weight off of Dave.]
You aren't a puppet or broken. I think... I think you learned a lot of things to help you survive a terrible situation, and now the situation is different. There isn't anything broken in not being able to reorganize your frame of thinkin' so readily. There isn't... Every time we talk about these things, we talk about it as if we're machines and we just need to substitute in the right parts to function the way we want to. The more apt metaphor, the harder metaphor, is the metaphor of injury. It's like if someone cut off your legs so you learned how to move fast on your arms. You're perfect at it, you are the most badass legless person in the world. But thanks to a weird miracle of fate, you're in a place where you're allowed to walk again, and thanks to a crazier miracle of science your body can grow legs again. The thing is, you can only grow those legs if you learn how to walk, and you can only learn how to walk by growing those legs. It puts you in this weird position of trying to do both at the same time and it makes sense that it would go wrong and you'd switch back to trying to walk on your hands. You know how to do that, although you're out of practice. Maybe the point of this metaphor, which is really uncomfortably appropriative of disability shit now that I'm at the end, is that you can get back into practice of walking on your hands, and maybe that's what you want. On the other hand, learning how to walk again and regrow your legs is phenomenally difficult, but I think it's a different thing to learn that than to go back to your handstand. And I think even if you decide to go one way or another, it doesn't mean you can't switch or even take a break from both.
[God. He needs to get better at metaphors. His fingers curl into Dave's shirt.]
I love you no matter what. I'll back you.
[If that means Dave needs him pulling the strings for a little while... He'll do it. He'll do anything.]
[ can't do this or it'll hurt dirk can't do that or it'll hurt dave and that'll hurt dirk can't do that or it'll hurt jake which will also hurt dirk can't do that or it'll hurt rose or roxy or john or jade or karkat and always, always another person.
all he wants is an option that hurts absolutely no one, or at least an option that only hurts him (which hurts dirk, which hurts jake, which hurts -) ]
[Dirk's fingers curl tight into the fabric of Dave's clothing. He tries to find the words to support Dave, the ones that don't undermine him. But he doesn't want to let go.]
It might be. I wouldn't want you to, and I don't think it will fix things, but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it is what you need most.
Maybe. But maybe that isn't true. [He is trying to articulate an idea that he know he can't get Dave to accept. Still, he has to say it. Full of uncertainty and platitudes, still, he has to try.] Maybe... maybe what you need is the only thing that will fix it. Maybe figuring it out, and establishing boundaries, would make things stable. And maybe deciding what you need once you have that solid base of your boundaries would help you get you where you need to be. Maybe all of this is like flashsteppin' and puppets, but the first step in that is always putting a total ban on it until you're ready to try, at your pace, according to your needs and decisions. Not to fall into a cliche, but... I think that sometimes the best way we can take care of other people is by answering our own needs first, so that we can be in the right state to give them what they need.
Or maybe that's all wrong, but I think that it isn't. Admittedly, I have a bias in your favour. I suppose though that if one of us does it maybe it will help the other one, the way keep tryin' to drag each other up together.
[ those were the words, the ones that made it clear he has to do anything but. he pulls back from the hug, shifts but doesn't raise his gaze. ]
I think - I think we need boundaries, then. I don't think we can do this like we are anymore.
[ he has no idea what he needs. what he wants is to remove himself entirely from every equation, though.
maybe he can take baby steps to "i think i should move out of the tower, and also off the island, and maybe go live with the kharaa or something" day by day. ]
I said I was jugglin' knives and hearts. I meant... that if I fucked up, I'd stab either your heart or Jake's. Holy fuck, am I this bad at metaphors? That was what that meant. Either I stab you or him or both. The metaphor meant—the point of it was that I feel like it's impossible for me to avoid hurtin' the people I love.
That was what it meant. I have really good leather gloves in this metaphor or some shit, my only injuries are sympathetic because I have just impaled the hearts of the people I love most. That was about me hurtin' you and Jake.
I didn't misunderstand. [ or not entirely. not enough to make him think it's any less crucial he fuck off? ] I can't do this? I can't do this. I can't be part of a jugglin' act that always seems to end with you or him or a million other people gettin' hurt. Even if I try to pick somethin' that should - whatever you guys want, it hurts everyone, and I can't. I just want to not be part of the equation so you don't have to.
I don't have to, it's the position I put myself in.
[He doesn't know how to make the counter-argument. He doesn't know how to explain it in the way that makes it all okay. Maybe because it isn't okay, but it will be. It has to be, eventually. They have to make it there.]
There are other ways out of the juggling act than takin' out one of the hearts. I think maybe we just aren't in the best position to figure it out. Maybe we need to let the knives hit where they're going to for a minute and just stop, and instead of juggling we put a ban on all acts related to clowns and figure out how to get knives out of the hearts I have in my hands.
No matter what choice I make, you always remind me where the knives are gonna land. There ain't ever a choice where they don't land somewhere. Even when I do fuck all and make no choices.
I just can't. [ that seems like a decent answer. there is no option that didn't get a reminder of who would get hurt, and even without the reminders, those things would have been true. ] Even the one where I fix my shit you said hurts you and Jake. You said so. There's nothin' I can do.
I don't like the one where you treat yourself as a defective thing that needs to just insist you're fine until it finally clicks, no. That's sort of a recurring thing I disagree with.
[He's twisting it around in his mind. He's trying to figure out how to get out. How to fix this.]
When you... There's a thing that would hurt but it doesn't. When you decide you need to go away, I'm fine. Like, I'm not ecstatic, but it was the agreement we made that as long as you promise you'll come back, it's okay. It doesn't hurt because I know I'm not being abandoned, and I know you'll come home. There aren't knives.
That doesn't really apply to the tellin' people shit issue so much as like, issue one thousand twenty-seven in the Strider lexicon, which is I suppose abandonment and space.
Your idea with it was that I'd know you'd come back, so both of our things would be dealt with. Maybe if we applied the same logic, we could answer this on a longer scale. If what you need is control over the flow of information, cool. What I need to know is that you want to feel safe with me and you'll work towards it. So. I don't know. Maybe we don't have to juggle knives if we know that we're trying to reach that point where it'll be okay. You can't share the information this time, but no one gets hurt because you are going to try to get to that one day. It just isn't on this one. Me and Jake have our own side of it that's sort of dealing with our own issues between us on this kind of thing, and we should work on that. But we don't have it down yet.
Following that idea, we can say it's okay to not be okay, and no one gets the knife because we know we're all trying. I think because of how we are, which is to say human, we can't give absolute promises to be totally ideal. We can agree to try, though, and that matters because it allows us to be okay with each other's current needs, while working together to try to achieve what we want. Waiting for the day you trust me is something I can accept in the way I can't accept the total loss of your trust forever.
[ the immediate thought he does not say: i don't know if i'll ever trust you that completely ever again. it's pandora's box and he can't trust he won't lose out every time. dave's quiet as he swallows the words down.
there's no fight in his voice or posture, and he's not even sure what he'd fight for if he felt any of that kind of passion. what he needs is still too impossible to see when faced with what other people need or want. ]
If that's what you want. I don't really - I don't know how it works out as a game plan. What you want me to do. But okay. [ he lasted maybe fifteen minutes total this time. less, really, because dave can't even pretend to do estimates. it's just as pathetic a realization as it usually is. ] I said I'd try to change.
[He recognizes what happens and it hits him painful, and it comes out slight and scared in the little shake of his head. No.]
It isn't—this isn't a request. I'm tryin' to—you deserve choices. You have one choice, which is cuttin' out. This is another, and a third would be to hit pause on all of it, offload the entire thing onto me or Rose, and take a break from all of this. I don't think that'd hurt anyone. We can probably come up with a fourth option that doesn't hurt.
You said that you need to not hurt people. I don't know how to help you get what you need. [He needs to get a grip on his fear. It isn't important. Only Dave is important.] That was a bad try.
The possibility we talked about that you didn't know if it would help, where every time you find information, you shove it onto one of us and make us responsible for tellin' people or not.
[Another option. Another choice. Anything to try to get Dave out of a trap where he's sure the only way out is just removing himself from the equation. At least this would be a different way to take himself out of it, one that didn't mean removing himself totally.]
no subject
Is that pullin' your strings?
[He can't be Dave's puppet-master. He can't do that to his brother.]
no subject
[ he's open to puppet mastery at this point, he simply doesn't care if it fixes things ]
no subject
But God, he wants to take this weight off of Dave.]
You aren't a puppet or broken. I think... I think you learned a lot of things to help you survive a terrible situation, and now the situation is different. There isn't anything broken in not being able to reorganize your frame of thinkin' so readily. There isn't... Every time we talk about these things, we talk about it as if we're machines and we just need to substitute in the right parts to function the way we want to. The more apt metaphor, the harder metaphor, is the metaphor of injury. It's like if someone cut off your legs so you learned how to move fast on your arms. You're perfect at it, you are the most badass legless person in the world. But thanks to a weird miracle of fate, you're in a place where you're allowed to walk again, and thanks to a crazier miracle of science your body can grow legs again. The thing is, you can only grow those legs if you learn how to walk, and you can only learn how to walk by growing those legs. It puts you in this weird position of trying to do both at the same time and it makes sense that it would go wrong and you'd switch back to trying to walk on your hands. You know how to do that, although you're out of practice. Maybe the point of this metaphor, which is really uncomfortably appropriative of disability shit now that I'm at the end, is that you can get back into practice of walking on your hands, and maybe that's what you want. On the other hand, learning how to walk again and regrow your legs is phenomenally difficult, but I think it's a different thing to learn that than to go back to your handstand. And I think even if you decide to go one way or another, it doesn't mean you can't switch or even take a break from both.
[God. He needs to get better at metaphors. His fingers curl into Dave's shirt.]
I love you no matter what. I'll back you.
[If that means Dave needs him pulling the strings for a little while... He'll do it. He'll do anything.]
no subject
[ can't do this or it'll hurt dirk can't do that or it'll hurt dave and that'll hurt dirk can't do that or it'll hurt jake which will also hurt dirk can't do that or it'll hurt rose or roxy or john or jade or karkat and always, always another person.
all he wants is an option that hurts absolutely no one, or at least an option that only hurts him (which hurts dirk, which hurts jake, which hurts -) ]
no subject
Me too. It should be easier than it is.
no subject
[ but then, that would hurt people, too.
maybe the quick hurt would be better than the agonizingly drawn out kind as he fails again and again to be who he needs to be, though. ]
no subject
It might be. I wouldn't want you to, and I don't think it will fix things, but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it is what you need most.
no subject
[ dirk says maybe and dave thinks it's an option. it would fix some things, at least. ]
no subject
Or maybe that's all wrong, but I think that it isn't. Admittedly, I have a bias in your favour. I suppose though that if one of us does it maybe it will help the other one, the way keep tryin' to drag each other up together.
no subject
[ those were the words, the ones that made it clear he has to do anything but. he pulls back from the hug, shifts but doesn't raise his gaze. ]
I think - I think we need boundaries, then. I don't think we can do this like we are anymore.
[ he has no idea what he needs. what he wants is to remove himself entirely from every equation, though.
maybe he can take baby steps to "i think i should move out of the tower, and also off the island, and maybe go live with the kharaa or something" day by day. ]
no subject
I said I was jugglin' knives and hearts. I meant... that if I fucked up, I'd stab either your heart or Jake's. Holy fuck, am I this bad at metaphors? That was what that meant. Either I stab you or him or both. The metaphor meant—the point of it was that I feel like it's impossible for me to avoid hurtin' the people I love.
That was what it meant. I have really good leather gloves in this metaphor or some shit, my only injuries are sympathetic because I have just impaled the hearts of the people I love most. That was about me hurtin' you and Jake.
no subject
no subject
[He doesn't know how to make the counter-argument. He doesn't know how to explain it in the way that makes it all okay. Maybe because it isn't okay, but it will be. It has to be, eventually. They have to make it there.]
There are other ways out of the juggling act than takin' out one of the hearts. I think maybe we just aren't in the best position to figure it out. Maybe we need to let the knives hit where they're going to for a minute and just stop, and instead of juggling we put a ban on all acts related to clowns and figure out how to get knives out of the hearts I have in my hands.
no subject
[ he stops himself. breathes. ]
Fine. [ he doesn't even know what it means or what he's agreeing to, really, but hey. ] Ban enacted.
no subject
no subject
no subject
I'm sorry. I'll stop.
no subject
[ a shrug. ]
I just can't. [ that seems like a decent answer. there is no option that didn't get a reminder of who would get hurt, and even without the reminders, those things would have been true. ] Even the one where I fix my shit you said hurts you and Jake. You said so. There's nothin' I can do.
[ except just not. ]
no subject
[He's twisting it around in his mind. He's trying to figure out how to get out. How to fix this.]
When you... There's a thing that would hurt but it doesn't. When you decide you need to go away, I'm fine. Like, I'm not ecstatic, but it was the agreement we made that as long as you promise you'll come back, it's okay. It doesn't hurt because I know I'm not being abandoned, and I know you'll come home. There aren't knives.
no subject
no subject
Following that idea, we can say it's okay to not be okay, and no one gets the knife because we know we're all trying. I think because of how we are, which is to say human, we can't give absolute promises to be totally ideal. We can agree to try, though, and that matters because it allows us to be okay with each other's current needs, while working together to try to achieve what we want. Waiting for the day you trust me is something I can accept in the way I can't accept the total loss of your trust forever.
no subject
there's no fight in his voice or posture, and he's not even sure what he'd fight for if he felt any of that kind of passion. what he needs is still too impossible to see when faced with what other people need or want. ]
If that's what you want. I don't really - I don't know how it works out as a game plan. What you want me to do. But okay. [ he lasted maybe fifteen minutes total this time. less, really, because dave can't even pretend to do estimates. it's just as pathetic a realization as it usually is. ] I said I'd try to change.
no subject
It isn't—this isn't a request. I'm tryin' to—you deserve choices. You have one choice, which is cuttin' out. This is another, and a third would be to hit pause on all of it, offload the entire thing onto me or Rose, and take a break from all of this. I don't think that'd hurt anyone. We can probably come up with a fourth option that doesn't hurt.
You said that you need to not hurt people. I don't know how to help you get what you need. [He needs to get a grip on his fear. It isn't important. Only Dave is important.] That was a bad try.
no subject
no subject
[Another option. Another choice. Anything to try to get Dave out of a trap where he's sure the only way out is just removing himself from the equation. At least this would be a different way to take himself out of it, one that didn't mean removing himself totally.]
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
don't call dirk out on my mistakes lucy i hate you
I DISTRACTEDLY THOUGHT IT WAS ON PURPOSE
NO
ok thats my bad i can't multitask RETCONS IT SO DIRK GOT IT RIGHT AND THAT EXCHANGE NEVER HAPPEND
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)