the kind of telling you shit that youre probably referring to i tried a few times it didnt end well it generally doesnt ill keep it in mind though and try
OK, YES, I HAVE A HABIT OF REACTING BADLY TO THINGS. I KNOW YOU SAID YOU DON'T WANT ME DOING THE WHOLE "OH NOOO, I FUCKED UP AGAIN!" THING BUT DOES THAT STILL COUNT WHEN I AM LIKE GENUINELY OWNING UP TO A FUCKUP AND NOT JUST HAVING A DRAMATIC REACTION TO A THING?
i dont know what i didnt like about that was how wed stall out there and i wouldnt bring it up again or if i did itd get the same sort of panic attack and so i just stopped bringing things up and the things i did bring up got forgotten or misconstrued its not really anyones fault i mostly swallowed all my issues with anything until we got here and dirk and i kept talking
MY USUAL DEFAULT REACTION TO HEARING ANYTHING IS USUALLY TO FUCKING PANIC. WHICH ISN'T REALLY AN EXCUSE BUT I AM TRYING TO CALM THE FUCK DOWN THERE? NOT JUST WITH STUFF REGARDING YOU BUT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. ENGLISH SUGGESTED MAKING LISTS. ABOUT STUFF. AND THEN AFTERWARDS GOING OVER THE LIST AND FIGURING OUT WHAT IS A THING THAT I SHOULD ACTUALLY BE CONCERNED ABOUT AND WHAT IS A THING THAT WAS KIND OF JUST AN OVERREACTION OR WHATEVER.
LOOK, DAVE. I WANT TO SAVE OUR FRIENDSHIP. AND, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DOES MEAN TALKING. BECAUSE IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN THEN WE ARE FOREVER GOING TO BE STUCK IN THIS AWKWARD SPHERE OF NOT KNOWING WHAT THE FUCK TO SAY TO EACH OTHER. AND IT THAT CONTINUES THEN EVENTUALLY WE'LL JUST STOP BEING FRIENDS ALTOGETHER? I REFUSE TO LET THAT BE A THING. WHICH IS REALLY SELFISH! AND YOU ARE FREE TO TELL ME TO FUCK OFF WHENEVER YOU WANT.
im always going to want to be friends with you karkat im just not enthused about the idea of my ex making a list of every single romantic blow up and step by step going through them with me in excruciating detail probably if thats what you think you need right now though ok well do that make your list
I WOULDN'T SAY ROMANTIC BLOW UP? LIKE I AM SURE SOME OF IT IS STUFF THAT IS APPLICABLE IN A NON-ROMANTIC SITUATION. AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE *NOW* OR ANYTHING SINCE I DID JUST MESSAGE YOU OUT OF NOWHERE AND YOU'RE PROBABLY BUSY DOING WHATEVER.
OK. ALSO IF I SEEM TO HAVE ANY SORT OF BAD REACTION TO ANYTHING JUST SAY THAT I AM? CAN THAT BE A GROUND RULE. IF I SEEM TO BE HAVING ANY SORT OF FIT THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO IMPOSSIBLE TO TALK TO ME JUST GO, "HEY THERE, VANTAS, CALM YOUR NUBS." IF YOU WANT TO.
I WOULD PREFER NOT TO TEXT BUT YOU ALREADY ADMITTED THAT THIS IS A THING YOU ARE NOT TOO THRILLED ABOUT DOING? SO WE NEED TO HAVE A MIDDLE GROUND SOMEWHERE HERE.
theres not really a middle ground between texting and in person i dont think like either youre in person or youre not man texting in person eliminates the things that make me more comfortable talking about this kind of thing via texting so that suggestion is generally pretty dumb even by strider standards
[ he added asshole after that, but then deletes it since dave said he doesn't want to be... insulted anymore... ]
I MEAN THAT YOU ARE ALREADY DOING A COMPROMISE FOR THIS WHOLE SETUP. SO IT WOULD ONLY MAKE SENSE FOR ME TO DO ONE BACK. I CHOOSE THE ACTIVITY AND YOU CHOOSE HOW WE DO SAID ACTIVITY.
WE PROBABLY COULD? BUT JUST THOSE KINDS OF FRIENDS THAT YOU SAY HI TO WHEN YOU WALK BY EACH OTHER AND MAY OCCASIONALLY HANG OUT DOING SOME GENERIC ACTIVITY WITH. I DON'T WANT THAT. I WANT YOU TO TRUST ME AGAIN, EVEN IF IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT? I DON'T REALLY CARE HOW LONG IT GODDAMN TAKES FOR THAT TO BE A THING BUT I WILL WORK AS MUCH AS I CAN FOR IT.
[ just maaaaaaybe not emotionally, which was the thing that happened to dirk. dirk also did not really take that well. ]
look if youre wanting me to be enthused about it that again isnt going to happen i am legitimately never enthused about this kind of thing but i agreed to it so lets like call it even
[ dirk and karkat have a lot of similarities, actually, it's just unfortunate that almost all of them are negative traits so. oops. ]
ALRIGHT OK. AND I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO BE LEAPING INTO THE AIR IN JOY OVER THIS. IT'S NOT LIKE I AM EITHER? I AM JUST MAKING AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE SURE I AM NOT STEAMROLLING OVER ANYBODY. LIKE IN THAT ONE SCENE FROM THAT MOVIE WITH THE ANIMATED RABBIT? BUT INSTEAD OF BEING AN ACTUAL STEAMROLLER, IT'S JUST ME, DRAGGING PEOPLE AROUND TO DO THINGS.
its fine dude youre gonna obsess over this until we do it anyway which wont help anyone and would make any other avenues of working on shit kind of difficult
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i tried a few times
it didnt end well
it generally doesnt
ill keep it in mind though
and try
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I KNOW YOU SAID YOU DON'T WANT ME DOING THE WHOLE "OH NOOO, I FUCKED UP AGAIN!" THING BUT DOES THAT STILL COUNT WHEN I AM LIKE
GENUINELY OWNING UP TO A FUCKUP AND NOT JUST HAVING A DRAMATIC REACTION TO A THING?
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what i didnt like about that was how wed stall out there
and i wouldnt bring it up again
or if i did
itd get the same sort of panic attack
and so i just stopped bringing things up
and the things i did bring up got forgotten or misconstrued
its not really anyones fault
i mostly swallowed all my issues with anything until we got here
and dirk and i kept talking
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WHICH ISN'T REALLY AN EXCUSE BUT I AM TRYING TO
CALM THE FUCK DOWN THERE?
NOT JUST WITH STUFF REGARDING YOU BUT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
ENGLISH SUGGESTED MAKING LISTS. ABOUT STUFF.
AND THEN AFTERWARDS GOING OVER THE LIST AND FIGURING OUT WHAT IS A THING THAT I SHOULD ACTUALLY BE CONCERNED ABOUT AND WHAT IS A THING THAT WAS KIND OF JUST AN OVERREACTION OR WHATEVER.
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thats why i didnt tell you anything
or one of the myriad reasons
all right
i dont have a list i want to make though
beyond what i already gave you
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IF YOU WANT TO ADD MORE THEN SURE.
LOOK, DAVE.
I WANT TO SAVE OUR FRIENDSHIP.
AND, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DOES MEAN TALKING.
BECAUSE IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN THEN WE ARE FOREVER GOING TO BE STUCK IN THIS AWKWARD SPHERE OF NOT KNOWING WHAT THE FUCK TO SAY TO EACH OTHER.
AND IT THAT CONTINUES THEN EVENTUALLY WE'LL JUST STOP BEING FRIENDS ALTOGETHER?
I REFUSE TO LET THAT BE A THING.
WHICH IS REALLY SELFISH! AND YOU ARE FREE TO TELL ME TO FUCK OFF WHENEVER YOU WANT.
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im just
not enthused about the idea of my ex making a list of every single romantic blow up and step by step going through them
with me
in excruciating detail probably
if thats what you think you need right now though
ok
well do that
make your list
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LIKE I AM SURE SOME OF IT IS STUFF THAT IS APPLICABLE IN A NON-ROMANTIC SITUATION.
AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE *NOW* OR ANYTHING SINCE I DID JUST MESSAGE YOU OUT OF NOWHERE AND YOU'RE PROBABLY BUSY DOING
WHATEVER.
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i guess get back to me when you have this list you want me to look at
and we can go through it
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ALSO IF I SEEM TO HAVE ANY SORT OF BAD REACTION TO ANYTHING JUST
SAY THAT I AM?
CAN THAT BE A GROUND RULE.
IF I SEEM TO BE HAVING ANY SORT OF FIT THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO IMPOSSIBLE TO TALK TO ME JUST GO, "HEY THERE, VANTAS, CALM YOUR NUBS."
IF YOU WANT TO.
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can we do it via text
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YEAH.
WHATEVER YOU WANT, STRIDER.
TEXT IS FINE.
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if youre not ok with that you should say so
dirk prefers not to text
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SO WE NEED TO HAVE A MIDDLE GROUND SOMEWHERE HERE.
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i dont think
like
either youre in person or youre not man
texting in person eliminates the things that make me more comfortable talking about this kind of thing via texting
so that suggestion is generally pretty dumb even by strider standards
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THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT.
[ he added asshole after that, but then deletes it since dave said he doesn't want to be... insulted anymore... ]
I MEAN THAT YOU ARE ALREADY DOING A COMPROMISE FOR THIS WHOLE SETUP.
SO IT WOULD ONLY MAKE SENSE FOR ME TO DO ONE BACK.
I CHOOSE THE ACTIVITY AND YOU CHOOSE HOW WE DO SAID ACTIVITY.
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that works
[ or it seems like it's what will help karkat the most so. same difference? ]
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THANKS.
ALTHOUGH IF YOU *REALLY* DON'T WANT TO DO THIS YOU DON'T HAVE TO. I DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL LIKE YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO.
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you dont think we can be friends if we dont right
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BUT JUST THOSE KINDS OF FRIENDS THAT YOU SAY HI TO WHEN YOU WALK BY EACH OTHER AND MAY OCCASIONALLY HANG OUT DOING SOME GENERIC ACTIVITY WITH.
I DON'T WANT THAT.
I WANT YOU TO TRUST ME AGAIN, EVEN IF IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT?
I DON'T REALLY CARE HOW LONG IT GODDAMN TAKES FOR THAT TO BE A THING BUT I WILL WORK AS MUCH AS I CAN FOR IT.
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thats not an issue
[ just maaaaaaybe not emotionally, which was the thing that happened to dirk. dirk also did not really take that well. ]
look
if youre wanting me to be enthused about it
that again isnt going to happen
i am legitimately never enthused about this kind of thing
but i agreed to it
so lets like
call it even
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ALRIGHT OK.
AND I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO BE LEAPING INTO THE AIR IN JOY OVER THIS.
IT'S NOT LIKE I AM EITHER?
I AM JUST MAKING AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE SURE I AM NOT STEAMROLLING OVER ANYBODY.
LIKE IN THAT ONE SCENE FROM THAT MOVIE WITH THE ANIMATED RABBIT?
BUT INSTEAD OF BEING AN ACTUAL STEAMROLLER, IT'S JUST ME, DRAGGING PEOPLE AROUND TO DO THINGS.
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youre gonna obsess over this until we do it anyway
which wont help anyone
and would make any other avenues of working on shit kind of difficult
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BUT SERIOUSLY.
THANKS.
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just that you wouldnt say it
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